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July 02, 2008

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tsr

Mr Araujo,

I have read ITskeptics blog and now yours, since this came to my attention, and I have some issues with your reviews.

I am intimatly familiar with the Managed Objects Product Suite, and your myopic review is to use your own words simpleton.

You don't understand its place or role in the integration platform that is Managed Objects. It is a small piece or solution to a problem thats vexed people for a while, um.. How do you improve your data? and we know that all data is crap, till proved otherwise, right? And as the IT skeptic is fond of pointing out that the wetwired individual is the place for that info, well it stands to reason you should appeal to him to play a key role, right?

In as much as your main three points:

1. Keep It Simple
2. Relationship Trumps Granularity
3. Process is Still Key

You show your naievity of and lack of experience with the Managed Objects Platform.

1. I'm a fond proponent of the KISS rule, Keep it simple stupid, and thats the only way to begin to make sense of a complex environment, where the relationships are all complex. This is step one with Managed Objects, the focus is quite simply on the Services that are Critical to You. And in most realities the stake holders are the sole repositories of this type of dependancy information. So again, why not leverage their expertise?

2. Understanding how technology impacts a service comes from having created the service model or logical picture of how your service/application looks and yields many of it's relationships or dependancies.
Often this is only as far as you have to go. And yes, it's a simple thought exercise. People just have to do the work. That IS the relationship. It's rarely more complicated than that. But thats whats complicated.... yes, a real conumdrum.

3. Process? You are going to knock a CMDB enabling data support mechanism on a lack of process? (granted, why not, you don't understand how the integration platform works.) I thought you thought the CMDB was a respository of information the other processes external or internal took advantage of, *ahem* which Managed Objects does nicely. Want to compare objects(CIs) to their historical baseline? to other objects(CIs)? See all their changes? validate the data against an active discovered segment of the network? puhleez. you begin to loose any credibility you may have had. ITIL is the process by which you decide how you want to take advantage of YOUR data, ie control your risk to unmitigated change. Now that you have the data, what usefull things would YOU like to do with it? Open an RFC to propose a change? Open an incident against a CI based on correlating a malfunction via real time monitoring, against a specific attribute, ie, an interface. And then look up all the CI's that have that same model of interface and begin to troll thru their alarm history for similar outages?

Surprisingly enough, I agree with your sentiment on a number of things, and in any other instance we would likely get along, but your review is malaligned and your conceptual grasp of how all the parts of the Managed Objects works lacks. It lacks depth of knowledge, comprehension, and for imagination.

So, Mr. I need an actively discovered cmdb, how do you improve YOUR data? How do you propose to inject the information that sits in the heads of the stakeholders into your cmdb to make it more meaninful? With REAL application and service dependancies? Cause connections from device to device don't always cut it. And Application modeling doesn't always cut it, cause there are always uniquely configured/architeched solutions that don't fall into a cookie cutter view of the world.

I should go on, but I shall not.

The IT Skeptic

tsr,

i contest your assertion that "in most realities the stake holders are the sole repositories of this type of dependancy information". Unless you have a myopic view of stakeholders as being the key technical people within IT, then I don't think that is true. to the stakeholders, a service is something that comes out of a pipe. they don't know jack about how it gets there. And the people who do know don't need facebook to check the data.

More debate at "ice the cake with bulls***" http://www.itskeptic.org/node/644#comment-3109

tsr

I am happy to provide a refutation!

skeptics != solutions

Alright,

MO doesn't need ingnorant fans. And neither does it need ignorant critics.
You question the wisdom of using a collective knowledge, or a tribal knowledge, and you question using a Database, since it's going to be out of date the moment you use it, and you question the wisdom of autodiscovery... I'm sure...

So, just what DO you believe? in Omniscient Discovery?


http://www.itskeptic.org/node/644#comment-3113

and

Hung up on SKMS? CMDBs?

John,

People, process, products and providers.

We need to talk about People though since it seems to be relevant to MyCMDB and skeptics and others disregard.

1. People; have always been the key reason a CMDB or ITIL or ITSM Project fails. You can't succeed in any of these ventures until the people who decide, and then drive the solution... care. And these are in fact different people. Ah...

http://www.itskeptic.org/node/644#comment-3114

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